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Wednesday, August 07, 2013

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Steven Lamb said…

Ah SO FAMILIAR! There are however some errors in the article. In the past either committee chairs or the ATC chair has announced the slate. What Bernardean did is nothing that others have not done. Community input DID occur in the past on the executive slate In PARTICULAR if people were nominated for key positions that people in the Country Club neighborhoods did not approve of and this was almost always choreographed and orchestrated. It happened to me more than once. the swearing in of new members over the years has occurred at the start in the middle and at the end of meetings. Changes all the time.

I am overjoyed to read Ken Roberts comments and could not possibly agree more.

The real problem here is that even with 550+ votes, the Altadena Town Council represents no one. Altadena is a town of 44,000 people with over 30,000 voters. When I was first on the council and we used to get 1200 or so votes, THAT was depressing. As the council has been less and less accountable to the public, less engaged with the public (at the County’s visioning meetings for the community plan most ATC members did not even bother to show up)

Steven Lamb said…

Sadly, the Town Council has done everything it can to insulate itself from the public. They have done everything to become an insular club. They need to bring back parts of the Council Duties that Balder and Sund jettisoned. First the second vote getter in elections should become an alternate. Second, and this is very important, Census Tract representatives used to be responsible to hold regularly scheduled CT meetings open to all constituents. Walter martin and I were the last members to hold these meetings. they were VERY informative for the CT members and for the public. The ATC needs to realize they are a service organization NOT a resume, career and ego builder.

Eric Pierce said in reply to Steven Lamb…

Mr. Lamb is correct. A look through the minutes over the last several years will show that the seating of the new members has been at the beginning, middle and end of the July meetings. Most interesting is that the slate and election of the Executive Committee at the same time that the new members is being seated is kind of a new phenomena. The minutes show that just a few years ago, the Executive Committee Elections were held the month after the new council members were seated.

People, please do your research before tearing down the Town Council! This is the government we’ve got, and we need to improve it in a positive way.

William Korn said in reply to Eric Pierce

Eric, you cut right to the heart of the matter, although (with all respect) incorrectly. The Town Council is not “the government we’ve got” because it “governs” nothing. At best, it is a self-made organization with self-made rules and procedures that has taken upon itself the role of offering advice to the real “government we’ve got”, the County Board of Supervisors. Even some members of the Town Council have in the recent past denied that it governs anything, comparing it in public statements to a Homeowner’s Association (which it also is not). And as is frequently reported in this very blog, the public face of the Altadena Town Council all too often involves infighting and arguing about the rules and procedures by which it governs itself. It may be entertaining to some to watch the Town Council at work, but it’s hardly effective or relevant to those it “governs”. The community of Altadena has for decades given its opinion of the Town Council by largely ignoring it, as is all too clear by how many people take the trouble to vote in its elections (even in its “salad days” when total participation actually reached four figures).

A better model for local government can be seen in the Los Angeles Neighborhood Councils (see http://empowerla.org/about-neighborhood-councils/). They are official organizations within the city government. They are required to follow the rules and official procedures of government bodies such as the Brown Act (which our Town Council does not seem to believe applies to itself). In return for following those rules and procedures, they do have a certain amount of influence within the city government concerning matters in their neighborhoods and even get a certain (albeit small) amount of money from the city to fund neighborhood events. If Los Angeles County has such a mechanism for local governance (which I doubt), the Town Council is not an example of it.

William Korn said in reply to Eric Pierce

On a more positive note, the solution to local government is easy, provided the residents of Altadena wish it. We can incorporate, like West Hollywood and other formerly unincorporated areas of Los Angeles County. It costs big bucks and a lot of effort to do it, but it would be a more true reflection of what Altadena’s citizens want, since the vote of 500-odd residents would not decide the matter.

In the meantime, we can go on with the free “government we’ve got”, but remember, you get what you pay for.

Eric Pierce said…

This is embarrassing. These council members still don’t get it… The community wants more openness and a welcome to public participation from its Town Council, not less!

Mr. Roberts- shame on you for not doing what this article says you were supposed to do, which is to “talk to existing and incoming council members to sound out candidates for chair, vice-chair, treasurer, corresponding secretary, and recording secretary, as well as see who the other council members would support in those roles.” Mr. Roberts, you only contacted some of the sitting councilpersons, and none of the incoming people. There were many you could have talked to and considered for these roles, but apparently you already had your mind made up.

The intentional misstatement that the Election Committee was attempting to change the bylaws was already used to try to discredit us during the ATC email vote where the election rules were being held up. At no time were we, or could we do that, but it was enough to scare some TC members into believing that we were overstepping our bounds.

It has always been the duty of the Election Committee to update and amend the election rules. The final document is reviewed and approved by the TC. You should know that, Mr. Roberts, as you were on my Election Committee last year. Well, actually you never made any meetings, but you did attempt once, except you didn’t know where the Altadena Golf Course was, even though I provided you with the address.

My intent for my volunteer service was to do what I could for my community, nothing more. After eventually achieving our goals for the election, I saw no point in disrupting the Town Council with my tales of being blindsided by Ms. Marcussen and Mr. Musson. Once I saw that they would be in a position of authority, I could not in good conscience allow this information to be hidden, and I reluctantly got up and spoke. After reading this article and seeing how far these two are able to stray from the truth, I have affirmed for myself that I did the right thing.

We have some new blood who appear to me to want to improve the situation in Town Council. They calmly and respectfully didn’t allow themselves to be pushed around, and I applaud them for that.

The question now is: do we want the same old Town Council as we’ve been having, or do we want an open Town Council who welcomes all of Altadena – for all of Altadena.

William Korn said…

Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose

Lisa R said…

Always interesting to Google people’s names to see if these are new or continuing issues from their past…