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Lisa Hastings said…

“Jose Jimenez (and we’d just show our age if we did a joke about THAT).” What? Why are you perpetuating this negative ethnic stereotype………….I’m sure this individual does not appreciate your associating his name with that offensive stereotype.


Altadenablog said…

“Why are you perpetuating this negative ethnic stereotype….”

Looking through the post for an ethnic stereotype … looking … looking … looking … where is it, exactly?

I do see where we said we weren’t GOING to make an ethnic joke. Is saying we’re not making an ethnic joke actually as bad as making one? That’s an interesting idea.

If anybody’s getting insulted here, it’s aging boomers. It’s still OK to make fun of them, last we checked. But we could be wrong.


Lisa Hastings said…

You just don’t get it. That character, Jose Jimenez, was a dumb Mexican/Latino/Hispanic character portrayed by a comedian in the 1950s on the Steve Allen Show (“My name Jose Jimenez”). The comedian himself (Bill Dana) stopped playing the character after pressure from activists critical of his portrayal of a negative ethnic stereotype. I’m sure if you started making references to watermelon or Aunt Jemima when publishing stories about watermelon or someone named Jemima, you’d get a lot of criticism for THAT. NOW, do you get it?


Altadenablog said…

“I’m sure if you started making references to watermelon or Aunt Jemima when publishing stories about watermelon or someone named Jemima, you’d get a lot of criticism for THAT. NOW, do you get it?”

Yes, but we didn’t do that.

We’re still trying to figure out why mentioning in passing that a government official has a name that carries some pop cultural freight from 40+ years ago is ipso facto offensive. (You’ve given much more detail about the history than we have.) Nobody’s denying that Bill Dana’s character offends the modern sensibility, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t exist nor that people don’t remember it nor can it ever be mentioned, does it? We once had a friend named Dick Nixon — doesn’t mean he was the president. Or crooked. Or that naming him made it so.

And since the story is about a public hearing, that most dreary of governmental processes — we’re not sure how that ties into perpetuating stereotypes like your hypothetical above.

Anyway, that’s all the time we’re going to devote to this issue. The actual story here is the public hearing, anyway.