Despite complaints from nearby residents that began after the school opened this month, the Sahag-Mesrob Armenian Christian School has been "very constructive and very responsive" to neighborhood concerns, says Principal Shahe Garabedian.
Sahag-Mesrob's campus at 183-205 E. Palm St., which opened Sept. 2, is facing two major hurdles: complaints by neighbors claiming there was no or inadequate notice of the 250-student school opening in the neighborhood; and a notice of violation from the Los Angeles County zoning department, because the school was operating without the required conditional use permit (CUP). The notice requires that the school close this week or face fines. Continued violation of the notice may also bring criminal charges against the school, county officials said last week.
Garabedian says that the school applied for the CUP in May, 2008, shortly after they acquired the property, and it has been working to expedite the process since then. County zoning officials told Altadenablog last week that the CUP process usually takes a year to 18 months to complete, and in fact work on the school's CUP was suspended after the violation was written this month.
Garabedian says that representatives of the school have been meeting "almost every week" with the county to expedite the permit, but "we did not hear anything from the county until [we received] the notice."
Closing the school, he said, would cause hardship on the students, who range from nursery school to 5th grade. "You have 250 students, and you're trying to educate them," he said. "It's not like you can go to another option."
Garabedian says that the school actually affects the neighborhood less than when it was the former Bienvenidos Children's School, a residential home and school for young abused and at-risk children.
Bienvenidos was operating "24/7, with foster care and a school," Garabedian said. "[We] have a ten minute recess and 40 minute lunch break — 85 percent of the time the kids are in the classroom getting educated," Garabedian said. "That's only two breaks a day, and after 3:30, it's a ghost town."
Garabedian said that the school is meeting safety requirements, despite not yet having a CUP. The school has passed a fire inspection, and "last week we had the sheriff observing traffic, and they didn't see anything wrong," Garabedian said. The school created an "ingress," where up to 28 vehicles can enter the grounds in a loop to pick up and drop off students while minimizing traffic on Palm, Garabedian said.
The principal also said that the school has been pro-active in notifying neighbors from the beginning. Shortly after closing on the property in April, the school distributed 350 flyers around the neighborhood and invited residents to a barbecue luncheon on the school grounds, which attracted about 60 to 70 residents.
Garabedian said that he is keeping the school parents informed of the developments through meetings and emails.
The school is also exploring its options with the county, including obtaining a "clean hands waiver" to continue operations. "Closure is truly going to create a hardship," Garabedian said.
Having a school teaching moral, Christian values, is more positive for the neighborhood than some other uses for the property, such as housing a rehab facility, Garabedian said.
The school continues to operate its grade 6-12 campus on Maiden Lane just below St. Mark's School, where it has been for several years. "We have been in Altadena for 25 years — we thought having a location in Altadena [for the new campus] was for us," Garabedian said. " … our position has always been, for the past 25 years, to have a positive relationship with the community."
Michael Reilly said…
Take a look at the application for the conditional use permit they have applied for and see how many children they wish to jam onto a piece of property that is less than 2.5 acres. What they are attempting to achieve is an “illegal intensification of use”. To my knowledge there is no provision in the California planning and use laws which advises cities and counties on usage that allows for such an action to be taken. This site is unsuited to their intended use in the middle of a totally residential neighborhood and is not designed to function as a school, not to mention what this means to the property values in the neighborhood. They do not have a gym and consequentially children are outside yelling and screaming on and off all day long, despite what the principle might have you believe. I also note that the principle states that the school teaches “moral and christian values” so would that mean that part of the teaching (by example) of those morals and values includes breaking the law to suit one’s ends?
Most importantly what needs to be recognized here is the arrogance and stupitidy of attempting to set themselves above the planning laws and the process we are all subject too.
I do not recall anything on the flyer they sent round that they were planning to operate the school illegally.
Perhaps you might also ask the principle why they lost their lease at their previous location? No doubt you will get an moral and a christian values answer.
Tuesday, September 30, 2008 at 01:12 PM
Hugo said…
Sounds like a PR spin. And the fact that the only thing we have is a barbecue flyer that was passed out earlier this summer. Where are all the updates we were promised?
As far as this statment goes “last week we had the sheriff observing traffic, and they didn’t see anything wrong,”–the reason they didn’t see anything wrong is that from either direction of Palm, you could see the police cars (about 4) parked in front of the school. Who is going to speed or break any laws when they are right in front of you?
I hope our local officials will take some action, including the neighbors. Making calls and writing letters and e-mails is very powerful.
Tuesday, September 30, 2008 at 05:25 PM
Snow said…
I personally find the principal’s comment about rehab facilities very off-putting. That sort of assumption of moral superiority usually goes along with a sense of entitlement, and I think that’s what is happening here.
Wednesday, October 01, 2008 at 03:11 PM
David said…
The principal’s claim that his school “actually affects the neighborhood less than when it was the former Bienvenidos” clearly shows his lack of appreciation for this neighborhood or his school’s impact on it. I live within 500 ft of the property; it is ludicrous for him to assert that the school now affects the neighborhood less than Bienvenidos did. All one has to do is to observe Palm St around 8 AM and 3 PM on schooldays, or listen to the noise levels during the day. It was NEVER like this with Bienvenidos.
Bienvenidos served less than 80 small children for short periods of time after they were removed from abusive households, until they could be placed in foster homes. This principal runs a school of currently 240 children from K through 5th grade, and they want to expand to 800 students through high school age! How can he honestly believe that a school of that size will affect our neighborhood less than Bienvenidos?
Flyers inviting the neighborhood to visit? Funny, no one I know on our street (Highview Ave) ever mentioned receiving a flyer to me. I certainly didn’t get one, and I work out of my home so I’m always around. If they tried to engage the neighborhood, they obviously didn’t try very hard.
I knew of the property sale last spring, and I had been watching for a public notice to be posted so I could find out more about their plans. But there never was one, nor any hearing; not even a “Welcome to our School” sign out front. There was just a flurry of activity at the property in late August, and then a long line of cars suddenly appearing on Sept 2.
Bienvenidos had similar issues with the neighborhood when Lorri Castro first applied for her Conditional Use Permit in the early 1990s. The neighborhood was very concerned. But to me, the differences couldn’t be more significant. Castro obeyed the law. It took Bienvenidos several years to get their permit approved. They waited patiently before opening. During that time, they listened to neighborhood concerns and responded with compassion and respect. They worked hard to be “good neighbors” then and all during their time here. Contrast that with this principal’s stated position above and the school’s flagrant ignorance of the law.
Christian values? Since when do Christian values include disobeying the law and acting in your own self interest at the expense of your neighbors? We teach our children far more by our actions than by our words. And I do not like the lessons these children are learning. They deserve better, and so do we.
(edited slightly by Altadenablogmaster)
Friday, October 03, 2008 at 01:00 PM
Coleen Sterritt said…
I take exception with almost everything the Sahag-Mesrob school principal has stated.
“Better neighbors than Bienvenidos?” -How would he know? I’ve lived on Raymond Ave. at the north end of their property for the past eleven years. Bienvenidos was highly responsive to the fact they existed in a residential neighborhood. Certainly the children were noisy at times, but it was NOTHING in comparison to what I’ve lived through since Sept. 2nd.
The principal states that the children have a 10 min. recess and a 40 min. lunch break -that’s true, although, by my watch, I’d add another 10 minutes to each of those times. But what he doesn’t include is the excessive noise beginning around 7:30 to 8:15am during drop-off period and then from 2:30 to 3:30pm during pick-up time. AND then he forgets to add that P.E. classes are conducted throughout most of the day. We have been bombarded with a steady stream of screaming, yelling, clapping, whistle-blowing, car door-slamming noise pollution ALL DAY LONG!
To make matters worse, the geography of the site and all the concrete turns this property into a giant amplifier.
I’ve called the school many times and was able to speak with the principal only once when he assured me that they were doing “everything they could” to alleviate the problems. Nothing has changed with regard to the noise. It’s actually gotten worse since the first week due to
the P.E. classes -because now it’s constant.
The principal and the head of the school board told me they cared about the neighborhood. I find this very hard to believe for if they did, they would have shown us the respect we deserve by obeying the law instead of arrogantly inserting themselves into our lives in this belligerent manner.
Flyers inviting us to a barbeque? Was that suppose to replace the C.U.P. hearing? Do they think we’re stupid this side of Lake?
If, as stated, “…closure is truly going to create a hardship…” the principal and school board should have considered this before placing their children in such a precarious situation- in a facility which they knowingly opened illegally.
Lastly, I’m offended by the principal’s reference to “teaching Christian values” and his insinuation that the mission of their school is morally superior to that of Bienvenidos, especially in light of their flagrant violation of the law.
Friday, October 03, 2008 at 11:59 PM
angela thomas said…
I thing everyone should stop and think of putting themselves in their position. What if you had children and you came to find out that your school might possibly close down. would you not fight to keep your school alive. I think every one needs to take a vacation and stop complaining…or you should find another hobby besides complaining and writting letters.
Monday, October 06, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Snow said…
Ok, Angela, first, our problem is not with the parents and the children, it’s with the school administration who are operating a school with legal permits in a place that clearly cannot accommodate a school of that size. That they are nevertheless proceeding to operate, flouting regulations and the concerns of the neighborhood is a primary reason we are complaining and writing letters. Your final sentence is both ill-informed and offensive…this is not a ‘hobby’, this is people with legitimate concerns about our neighborhood, and making our views known, not only here but to county government and to the school, whom I am sure read this. This is a primary route to make sure matters proceed as they should, and that our friends and neighbors are informed and have a voice in what happens. I hope next time you devote more thought and less disdain to your letter.
Tuesday, October 07, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Michael Reilly said…
Responding to angela thomas’ comments. It is clearly evident that you do not have the misfortune of living next to this school. Perhaps you might take a moment to visit with one of the people who do and witness for yourself why there is stiff opposition. It is easy to support something that does not directly effect you in a negative way. Try having a little compassion for your neighbors who are dealing with this situation and bear in mind that you could find yourself dealing with an unacceptable situation that might require the support of your neighbors sometime. As for hobbies, mine happens to be peace and quite when reading. So what would you suggest that I do?
Wednesday, October 08, 2008 at 04:02 PM