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Friday, July 05, 2013

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Doris Finch said…

Thank you Lori, this is well stated. Like so many others, we have been snarled at by hostile dog owners for calmly asking them to leash their pet who may be jumping or drooling on us, no doubt being friendly. The worst was the young owners of a young pit who yelled at me for telling them, not politely, to leash the dog who had lept at my face. “He’s only playing! What’s the matter with you?” “So why is blood rolling down my arm?” They went off in a huff and we didn’t have a phone to call on, so I went home and tended my bruised and bitten arm. I will note too, that we have owned and loved several big dogs whose passing was mourned by neighbors and gardeners alike, so it isn’t a matter of hating and fearing dogs.

Christina said…

Thank you for writing this.

This issue is near and dear to my heart. My dog does not speak dog and does not get along with other dogs, which is annoying for us when we’re walking him on his sturdy leash, but not a problem. It’s not a problem, that is, until there are loose dogs. So many times have I yelled, “My dog isn’t friendly” and the passersby shout back as their dog barrels towards mine, “Well, our dog is,” only to moments later have a tangled mess of snarling dogs. I can say, however, that most times (with a few frustrating and notable exceptions), owners of loose dogs have apologized to me when their dogs approach my dog and incite a ruckus. I only wish that apology would mean a change in behavior. (Is an apology really an apology if it doesn’t result in a change in the apologizer?)

Yes, a change of trail culture is desperately needed. It will take a lot of us being very vocal to make this happen. I hope your thoughtful piece will help spark this necessary change.

altadenahiker said…

Timely. I just got back from Echo Mountain and out of the 14 dogs I encountered, only one was leashed. And we’re talking big dogs — g. shepherds, goldens, dobies. They were friendly to me, but it would have been another matter had I brought my dog, who is always leashed, and does not appreciate getting charged by loose dogs. That’s fine; I don’t mind leaving my dog at home. It’s the wildlife I worry about, and the famous excuse of all irresponsible dog owners, “He’s never done THAT before!.”

Revvell said…

As I’ve said over and over… Pepper spray, pepper spray, pepper spray. I had a client who’d been attacked by 3 dogs… had severe nerve damage. I was bitten myself once, a few years ago by a dog who thought she was protecting her pregnant owner. I’ve seen people walking what I call “coyote food” (little dogs on leashes) who were “braced” by a free-running German Shepherd. Pepper spray is legal; pepper spray will stop pretty much anything ~ 2 and 4-legged. Will it affect your dog when you spray another? Possibly, temporarily. Way better than getting mauled though, isn’t it? And no, rarely would you need vet or doctor’s assistance after being sprayed. Just time. This is where I got mine and the size which is the biggest legal one you can carry in the street ~ http://amzn.to/16TQikM

Elliot Gold said…

Great piece, I agree. As a former Scout leader and regular hiker, I confirm it is an issue.

To me, the temporary solution is to make the dog owners 1)liable and 2)required to do volunteer work on the trails walking with people who have their pets with them, to protect them from lose dogs.

Elliot Gold

Laura Monteros said…

It’s not just big dogs. Many little dogs are more snappish and aggressive than big dogs. It’s dogs in general who are not controlled. Some stupid tiny little dog tried several times to attack my two medium-sized dogs when we were walking. My dogs are not vicious, but they are aggressive when attacked and one of them certainly is powerful enough to do some damage. I had all I could do to hold them on their leashes. If they had hurt the other dog, then they would have had to be put down–for defending themselves.

My point is, with the rare exceptions Lori cites, dogs belong on leashes when they are not in their yards.

As for a change in culture–that only happens with education. The anti-smoking campaign is a good example of a successful campaign to change the perception of a certain behavior. Post photos like Lori’s picture of the doe at every trailhead, pass out fliers, put pamphlets with the sign-in logs–whatever calls attention to the problem. Get it on KTLA news!

No one is safe from uncontrolled dogs–wildlife, pets, kids, adults.

Sylvie Andrews said…

What a lot of “unleashed” owners don’t get is that their dog doesn’t even have to be aggressive to be a menace. I’ve seen plenty of happy, joyous, friendly (and clueless) dogs knock over children, trip runners, spook horses and make bicyclists crash. And it flabbergasts me that this same dog owner apparently saw this same dog get bitten by a rattlesnake in an earlier encounter and STILL let it run off leash later. If you can’t see past your naive notion that your dog won’t hurt anyone, at least see what’s happening when the dog himself gets hurt? I bet this doe got in a few good hoof strikes before she went down. Modern dog owners are, by and large, whacko. Dog ownership in America has turned into a trend, and the people following it are by and large ignorant of what dogs need to be confident, obedient, happy and safe. Too many people see their pooch as cheap therapy, the first step before you go on to have kids, the happy thing to come home to after your long hours at work, the thing that needs you now that the kids have moved out, or a good reason to get regular exercise. Dog ownership for them is more about their own needs more than the dog’s. I worked at the Humane Society for a while, and I saw all the dogs given up once the baby comes, surrendered because they destroyed the house (or barked their heads off) during 10+ hours of loneliness a day, turned in because the kids weren’t there to take care of them any more. Dogs need a purpose, they need a pack that’s there for them more often than not, they need a routine and they like to be under control. Most city dogs are neurotic and lonely, and letting them off-leash in the National Forest is not the answer.

erika said…

Does anyone know if this dog owner was ever cited?

MaryEllen said…

Thank you Lori for such a well-written and thoughtful piece. As a wildlife rehabilitator, CBD (“caught by dog”) are some of the most common injuries I see to adult animals, and the second most common known reason for wild animals to be orphaned. (The most common cause is people trapping and removing the mother animal, not realizing that she has babies hidden nearby.) Most smaller animals will not survive an attack by a dog, and even animals that can give back as good as they get (raccoons, for example) frequently die later due to infection, shock, and internal injuries.

I think it’s a sad thing that we kill coyotes, our own native ‘song dog’, when they come into our yards, but then we let our non-native dogs run amok in the coyote’s yards.

D G said…

If your dog is unleashed and comes at me I will kill it. I have been bitten before by a “friendly” dog and I no longer trust these animals. Leash it or risk me killing it. Period. Not all of us like dogs and I encounter dogs off leash in Eaton Canyon all the time. This is not okay.