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Wednesday, July 03, 2013

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Priscilla Benson said…

It would sure be great to have a picture posted of the hiker whose dogs did this.


Ty Harman said…

I hope the dog’s owner will be severely fined.


Chip O said…

Dogs in unincorporated Los Angeles County are required to be on leash or in a fenced yard. Altadena is part of unincorporated LA County.
People who take their dogs off-leash beyond their fenced yards are ignorant or stupid. Ignorance can be resolved by reading the above and minding the leash laws.
But,
Reasoning with stupid people is just … stupid.
They are dumber than their pets who act on instinct.
And those “well-trained, my woofie would never do that” dogs will revert to instinct when the stimulus is sufficient.
A friend who walked his dog on a leash, when he encountered an off-leash dog, usually had the following exchange:
My friend: “You really oughta keep your dog on a leash. And, it is the law.”
Idiot: “My dog is friendly and perfectly trained. It won’t hurt your dog.”
Then, just as loose dog starts to nose into the leashed dog,
My friend: “My dog isn’t.”

Begging these owners to leash their pets is as useless as calling the pet as the coyotes lure it back to their den.
Begging these owners to least their pets is as useless as wandering the Cobb Estate, calling for Fido who’s already been gone for a half-hour and is quite likely gone for eternity.
Please, encourage your friends and acquaintances to leash their dogs, prevent a tragedy.
Happy 4th to all.


Laura Monteros said in reply to Chip O…

Unfortunately, Chip, you are right. I have seen so many comments by dog owners who let their dogs run free and think the problem is those of us who want the dog leashed. I’ve even heard the excuse that their dog is more aggressive on the leash. Well, mine are, too, because they get scared when an unleashed dog comes running at them or nipping at their heels and they can’t run away–but at least I can control them.


Denan said…

I’m so tired of these so-called “animal lovers” who really only love the way they feel about themselves when they let their precious Fido “run free”.
Off-leash dogs terrorize local native wildlife, other people’s pets, and leave disgusting piles of poo wherever their owners aren’t looking. Even the “well-behaved” ones do this.
This is really sad. That poor deer,


The Proprietor said…

I’ve had several dogs in my life — but only the last two have had the temperament to walk with me unleashed, and we enjoy it that way. Not every dog does. That said, I always carry the leash at ready because (1) we never know what’s going to happen when we encounter another dog, and (2) occasionally we’ll see a coyote. In those cases, he gets leashed until the coast is clear.

We usually travel familiar streets, so I have a good idea of what to expect. In our rare walks in the woods, he’s always on the leash because you never know what you’ll encounter and I want him under control in that situation. But you never know — once, we were walking on the leash along Loma Alta Drive early in our relationship when a deer came charging out of somebody’s back yard. While the deer was frightened, I think my dog was more so, but still I’m glad he was under control then. When you’re in the woods, that dog needs to be under control.


MaryEllen said…

My back yard is bordered by a hiking trail, with about 30 feet of empty space between my fence and the trail. When I got livestock (chickens and goats) I put up a hotwire fence with big yellow signs all over it saying “warning: electric fence” and a lightning bolt sign, just to make it clear. The only animals that have ever hit that fence are off-leash dogs. And in one case, the owner had the gall to come marching up to me and curse me out for ‘hurting’ her precious (gigantic) dog! It didn’t seem to matter to her at all that her dog was charging onto my property to kill my animals. I have also had people suggest that I put up a sign on the trail itself warning people that there is electric fence up ahead. It’s already illegal to walk your dog off-leash on that trail. There are big yellow signs all over the fence. The fence is not even very close to the trail, and is on my private property. But still dog owners seem to think that I should be responsible for keeping their dogs from charging my fence and getting a zap on the nose. (and it really is just a zap, I tested it on myself)

I have no objection at all to people who really do have their dogs under voice control. But my experience is that most of them do not.


erika said…

This is so very sad. I really hope the owner is fined. Also, why did they choose to shoot, and not perform lethal injection? I keep my dogs leashed on hikes, because they’re prone to chasing all wildlife. I really wish more owners would follow the rules to help ensure safety and sustain the wildlife.


Chip O said…

Dearest beloved appreciated and needed Proprietor…
(and all others who “have had [dogs with]the temperament to walk with me unleashed…”)
Your dogs are wonderful. Other dogs aren’t. If your dog is beyond leash length (six feet please, those of you who walk dogs on the 25′ retractable leashes are really just fishing with bait) you have lost the chance to protect and/or prevent. Dogs have instinct and we humans just can’t control when that instinct will kick in. The leash gives us a fighting chance both with our own beloved pet and against that idiot dog running loose.
So.. please, please, put those dogs on the short leash and don’t create an addition to my ever-growing dog tragedy list.
Happy 4th to all


altadenahiker said…

Please follow up on this Tim, and let us know what legal repercussions this owner now faces. I hope it’s something meaningful. Not because I want to see the owner punished per se, but because I want this to serve as a cautionary tale to those who let uncontrolled dogs loose in the wilderness. Voice control is when a dog responds immediately to a single command; voice control is not having to call the dog ten, five, or even two times — that’s wishful thinking.


Andy said…

I DO want to see the owner punished. Without consequences the laws have no meaning.


Priscilla Benson said…

Sign me on with Andy! I believe it is against the law to harass wildlife. If that poor deer wasn’t harassed, I don’t know what would constitute harassment .

About two months ago, an unleashed pitbull attacked a horse up by Gould Mesa. Owner nowhere in sight. In the ensuing kerfuffle, the rider fell off, and the dog came at the horse again but, this time, the horse kicked the dog square in the face. NOW the dog’s owner appears, wailing about the damage done to her precious pooch. The horse was laid up for three weeks—infected wounds. In an earlier post, I said that I wished someone would post pix of these dog owners. At least if we knew what they looked like, we could be defensive about their approach!


Lisa said…

Why don’t the people requesting photos of the perpetrators post the photos instead of wishing or requesting that others do so?


Priscilla Benson said in reply to Lisa…

Because I have no idea who the person is! The article said that this unconscionable person was a “regular” so I hoped that someone had snapped a photo of her, or knew her name.


Lisa said in reply to Priscilla Benson…

I know of two “regulars” – two different women, who have been walking their dogs on the trails without a leash for decades–Last time I saw one of them she had about 3 or 4 dogs with her. Both have ridiculous excuses why they shouldn’t leash their dogs. I saw one of the dogs chase and spook a horse (with a rider) once and the other chase a deer. Law enforcement has no resources to enforce the leash laws on the trails. Anyone posting photos of these inconsiderate people risks a lawsuit. Peer pressure might work on the trail if enough people comment when they see unleashed dogs.


Doris Finch said…

Hats off to the horse! I’m sorry it got infections from the wounds though. And I’m glad the rider was apparently OK.